ASCII swastika, ascii swastikas

[m***@earthlink.net]

ascii swastika shown below.

German national socialists did not call their symbol a swastika. They
called it a Hakenkreuz, or hooked cross and they used it to represent
crossed S-letters for their socialism (see the work of the symbologist
Dr. Rex Curry). Loading Image...

Journalists and others (who claim that the nazis defamed the
"swastika" symbol) are actually the ones who continue to defame the
"swastika" by never explaining what the nazis called their symbol nor
what it represented for the German national socialists. The old media
pretend that they want to alleviate the problem, but they perpetuate
the confusion, and in a sense they ARE the problem, because they will
not explain the points above. They are vulgus profanum.
http://rexcurry.net/swastika-hakenkreuz-oxford-english-dictionary.html


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[Volker Birk]

Post by m***@earthlink.net
ascii swastika shown below.
German national socialists did not call their symbol a swastika. They
called it a Hakenkreuz, or hooked cross and they used it to represent
crossed S-letters for their socialism (see the work of the symbologist
Dr. Rex Curry). http://rexcurry.net/swastika3swastika.jpg
Journalists and others (who claim that the nazis defamed the
"swastika" symbol) are actually the ones who continue to defame the
"swastika" by never explaining what the nazis called their symbol nor
what it represented for the German national socialists. The old media
pretend that they want to alleviate the problem, but they perpetuate
the confusion, and in a sense they ARE the problem, because they will
not explain the points above. They are vulgus profanum.
http://rexcurry.net/swastika-hakenkreuz-oxford-english-dictionary.html

Hello,

a swastica is usually standing on one of the flat sides, not on the
corner. It was artwork of Adolf Hitler himself, who had the idea to
change that, and to put a black Hakenkreuz standing on the corner in a
white circle onto red background (referencing the colors of Deutsches
Reich as well as the red background of socialist flags at the same
time). You can see the result here:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_NSDAP_%281920%E2%80%931945%29.svg>

"Hakenkreuz" is just the German word for "swastica". And yes, I'm a
German native speaker ;-)

The SS runes are the next misunderstanding. They're not standing for
"socialism", they're meaning "Schutzstaffel" (protection squadron),
because this was the name of an organisation which was originally
founded for guarding Adolf Hitler. They started as bodyguards, and were
developed into as well the organisation who were driving the
Konzentrationslager (concentration camps, and therefore murdering the
prisoners there, implementing the Holocaust) as well as the organisation
who were repressing the people (and peoples) and torturing, as well as a
military organisation of manic killers as special forces. The latter,
the Waffen-SS, were later developed into an army.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_Schutzstaffel.svg>

Therefore you will not find one single S rune with the Nazis, everytime
there were two of them. Even on typewriters you'll find that pair, i.e.:

<Loading Image...>

Yours,
VB.

[The Azz Man!]

Post by Volker Birk

Post by m***@earthlink.net
crossed S-letters for their socialism (see the work of the symbologist
Dr. Rex Curry). http://rexcurry.net/swastika3swastika.jpg

Hello,
a swastica is usually standing on one of the flat sides, not on the
corner. It was artwork of Adolf Hitler himself, who had the idea to
change that, and to put a black Hakenkreuz standing on the corner in a
white circle onto red background (referencing the colors of Deutsches
Reich as well as the red background of socialist flags at the same

Don't waste your time, that guy's a nut. He claims to be all sorts of
different professions (including a symbologist, etymologist, public
speaker, elementary school teacher, and lawyer), and confuses the two
Bellamys to claim the Pledge of Allegiance is socialist. He also sells "My
Socialist Slave Number Is: (you add your Social Security Number here)
CafePress T-shirts.

http://rexcurry.net/
http://rexcurry.net/pledge_military.html
http://rexcurry.net/ussr-socialist-swastika-cccp-sssr.html
http://rexcurry.net/SSNall.html

Wasn't the swastika a rotated version of a religious symbol, from an Indian
ethnic group called Aryans, and the so-called "Aryan Race" was based on the
idea of Indo-European languages, making the Aryans the supposed origin of
the white race?

[Fritz Wuehler]

Post by The Azz Man!
Don't waste your time, that guy's a nut. He claims to be all sorts of
different professions (including a symbologist, etymologist, public
speaker, elementary school teacher, and lawyer), and confuses the two
Bellamys to claim the Pledge of Allegiance is socialist. He also sells "My
Socialist Slave Number Is: (you add your Social Security Number here)
CafePress T-shirts.

He is a registered proctologist though

Hey Nazi lover, up your fucking ass LOL

[Volker Birk]

Post by The Azz Man!
Wasn't the swastika a rotated version of a religious symbol, from an Indian
ethnic group called Aryans, and the so-called "Aryan Race" was based on the
idea of Indo-European languages, making the Aryans the supposed origin of
the white race?

It's a little bit different. The swastica was a very common symbol for
fortune for a long time in many countries and used by many peoples. You
can find swasticas i.e. in China, in Japan, in India, in Tibet, in
Greece. It's even older than the Indogermans are, i.e. you can find
swasticas with the Vinča culture:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin%C4%8Da_culture>

The Aryans were a people living in Iran and India. The Nazi ideology
misinterpreted history and derived (and created) a story of an "Aryan
race" (as you're stating), while there never was such a race.

Yours,
VB.

[Daniel Ruth-Exposed]

You made interesting comments. Thanks. You are correct that "a
swastica is usually standing on one of the flat sides, not on the
corner. It was artwork of Adolf Hitler himself, who had the idea to
change that, and to put a black Hakenkreuz standing on the corner in a
white circle onto red background (referencing the colors of Deutsches
Reich as well as the red background of socialist flags at the same
time)." Hitler put the symbol on its corner to highlight the S-shapes
for his socialism. He also always oriented it in the S-direction,
again for his socialism. Your comments are consistent with those
points.

"Hakenkreuz" is a common German word used for translation of
"swastica". However, you as a German native speaker would not dispute
that it clearly (even to an English speaker) literally means "hooked
cross." And you would concede that Hitler did NOT use the work
swastika, he used the work hakenkreuz.

Swastika is a sanskrit word that was deliberately used by people to
mislead them about the German symbol, and to distance the German
national socialist symbol from the cross (and the religious impact of
crosses), by instead defaming a foreign sanskrit term and symbol.

The SS runes are not a misunderstanding. No one said they stand for
"socialism" (other than that it was part of the government under
German national socialism). They're meaning "Schutzstaffel" clearly
shows the same type of stylized use of the rune style lettering for a
word that has S-letters in them. In other words, the VW logo also does
not stand for "socialism" (other than it was a car intended to
demonstrate German national socialism) yet it again shows two letters
in stylized form to represent words. Your comments support the point
made in the original post, that the Hakenkreuz was used to represent
stylized crossed S-shapes for the socialist party it represented.
http://rexcurry.net/swastika3swastika.jpg

Your comments are consistent with, support and even repeat the points
made in the work of Dr. Rex Curry.
http://rexcurry.net/swastika-hakenkreuz-oxford-english-dictionary.html


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P.S. Fritz Wuehler is a registered proctologist and a Nazi lover (up
his fucking ass LOL)

The Azz man is, of course, an ass man and a nut upon which you do not
want to waste time. He does not claim to have any profession (other
than being an ass man and simply an ass) Azz man confuses the two
Bellamys and tries to cover-up their relationship and azz man
deliberately tries to cover-up the fact that the Pledge of Allegiance
was written by a socialist, even though azz man knows that it is true
and he never actually disputes the points made.

The USA's Pledge of Allegiance was also the origin of the Nazi salute
adopted later by Adolf Hitler (see the site that archives the work of
Dr. Rex Curry). http://rexcurry.net

Azz man should be thanked though for the tip about "My Socialist Slave
Number Is: (you add your Social Security Number here) items at
CafePress T-shirts http://www.cafepress.com/rexy

That is some rockin kewl stuff.

[Volker Birk]

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
Hitler put the symbol on its corner to highlight the S-shapes
for his socialism. He also always oriented it in the S-direction,
again for his socialism. Your comments are consistent with those
points.

Actually, I doubt that. And there are good reasons not to believe. I
don't know a single symbol Hitler designed for "socialism". As I stated,
the S rune isn't one.

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
"Hakenkreuz" is a common German word used for translation of
"swastica". However, you as a German native speaker would not dispute
that it clearly (even to an English speaker) literally means "hooked
cross."

To be correct: it doesn't mean "hooked cross", literally we have to
translate that to "hook cross", which comes close to "cross of hooks".

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
And you would concede that Hitler did NOT use the work
swastika, he used the work hakenkreuz.

Yes, of course. "Hakenkreuz" is the German word for "swastica", and of
course Hitler (and all other people in Germany up to today) are using
the word "Hakenkreuz" for any swastica. We are not only using Hakenkreuz
for the Nazi symbol, but for every kind of swastica, because it's just
the native German word for that kind of symbol.

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
Swastika is a sanskrit word that was deliberately used by people to
mislead them about the German symbol, and to distance the German
national socialist symbol from the cross (and the religious impact of
crosses), by instead defaming a foreign sanskrit term and symbol.

I don't think so. While "swastica" is a Sanscrit word as a matter of
fact, there is no misleading, because of the identity of the meaning
of "swastica" and "Hakenkreuz". And swasticas aren't commonly used in
Christian religion.

I really can recommend the Wikipedia article about swastica:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastica>

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
The SS runes are not a misunderstanding. No one said they stand for
"socialism" (other than that it was part of the government under
German national socialism). They're meaning "Schutzstaffel" clearly
shows the same type of stylized use of the rune style lettering for a
word that has S-letters in them.

That's the next misunderstanding.

While uncommon in these days now, German language has three types of
letters, which mark an "S". The first, the latin S, is the same one in
English. The second one, which is used up today in Germany and Austria
(while not in the German speaking parts of Switzerland), is what we call
"scharfes S" (literally: sharp S). It's formed a little bit like the
Greek symbol Beta, in Unicode: ß, see:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9F>

Up to about 1950 there was a third form of the letter S in German, the
"langes S" (literally: long S), in Unicode: ſ, see:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_s>

It was derived from the Roman cursive medial s. Probably you're
confusing this letter with a rune. It isn't one. Runes never were used
in German texts AFAIK, beside the SS rune pair as logo for the
Schutzstaffel.

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
In other words, the VW logo also does not stand for "socialism" (other
than it was a car intended to demonstrate German national socialism)
yet it again shows two letters in stylized form to represent words.
Your comments support the point made in the original post, that the
Hakenkreuz was used to represent stylized crossed S-shapes for the
socialist party it represented.

And that's a misunderstanding again. The Hakenkreuz for sure has nothing
to do with the SS runes. It is historically wrong to bring it together
with socialism in any way. The swastica is just a symbol for fortune,
which was chosen by Adolf Hitler (who was an artist years before he
entered politics) for his logo, by modifying it with rotating it by 45°.
I think, it's clear that the red background references socialism in the
Nazi logo, though.

The S rune has a different origin; it is descendend from the rune
Sowilō ("sun"), see:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sowilo>

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
http://rexcurry.net/swastika3swastika.jpg

That's nonsense, sorry. None of these symbols in this picture ever were
used by the NSDAP. And it's just a misunderstanding to set a rune into a
text with latin letters.

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
Your comments are consistent with, support and even repeat the points
made in the work of Dr. Rex Curry.

I don't think so.

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
The USA's Pledge of Allegiance was also the origin of the Nazi salute
adopted later by Adolf Hitler (see the site that archives the work of
Dr. Rex Curry). http://rexcurry.net

That's the next incorrect claim. The Nazis used the Roman salute as
gesture for the "Deutscher Gruss", and they did copy that from the
Italian partito fascista, who copied it themselves from the Romans.
The wording "Heil Hitler" is a literal translation of the Roman salute
"ave caesar" (literally "well-being to you, Caesar"). The German "Heil"
means "well-being".

To be honest, I'm getting a bad feeling about the competence of this
"Dr. Rex Curry" (whoever he is).

Yours,
VB.

[Daniel Ruth-Exposed]

Post by Volker Birk

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
Hitler put the symbol on its corner to highlight the S-shapes
for his socialism. He also always oriented it in the S-direction,
again for his socialism. Your comments are consistent with those
points.

Actually, I doubt that. And there are good reasons not to believe. I
don't know a single symbol Hitler designed for "socialism". As I stated,
the S rune isn't one.

You know he referred to his group as national socialists and you know
the symbol he used for his national socialists was a Hakenkreuz turned
on its corner and pointed in the S-direction. You can cry about it all
you want but you do know a symbol Hitler designed for socialism. And
for similar alphabetic symbolism cry about the NSV symbol and the SA,
and add that to your SS and VW.

Post by Volker Birk

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
"Hakenkreuz" is a common German word used for translation of
"swastica". However, you as a German native speaker would not dispute
that it clearly (even to an English speaker) literally means "hooked
cross."

To be correct: it doesn't mean "hooked cross", literally we have to
translate that to "hook cross", which comes close to "cross of hooks".

You have conceded this point. You are not helping yourself. stop
making yourself look silly. Whatever point you are trying to make is
pointless. You are grasping at straws.

Post by Volker Birk

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
And you would concede that Hitler did NOT use the work
swastika, he used the work hakenkreuz.

Yes, of course. "Hakenkreuz" is the German word for "swastica", and of
course Hitler (and all other people in Germany up to today) are using
the word "Hakenkreuz" for any swastica. We are not only using Hakenkreuz
for the Nazi symbol, but for every kind of swastica, because it's just
the native German word for that kind of symbol.

Thank you very much again.

Post by Volker Birk

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
Swastikais a sanskrit word that was deliberately used by people to
mislead them about the German symbol, and to distance the German
national socialist symbol from the cross (and the religious impact of
crosses), by instead defaming a foreign sanskrit term and symbol.

I don't think so. While "swastica" is a Sanscrit word as a matter of
fact, there is no misleading, because of the identity of the meaning
of "swastica" and "Hakenkreuz". And swasticas aren't commonly used in
Christian religion.

Thank you for conceding my points. Swastikas aren't commonly used in
Christian religion, that is my point. Crosses are used. And the word
swastika was substituted deliberately by people who want to distance
the hakenkreuz from the cross. You apparently are another ignorant
victim of what happened. wise up. Oh and don't ever recommend
Wikipedia. It is an anonymous bulletin board.

Post by Volker Birk

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
The SS runes are not a misunderstanding. No one said they stand for
"socialism" (other than that it was part of the government under
German national socialism). They're meaning "Schutzstaffel" clearly
shows the same type of stylized use of the rune style lettering for a
word that has S-letters in them.

That's the next misunderstanding.

Your blabbering about different S letters in German is crude evasion.
You have not disputed the point made. If you want to claim that the SS
symbol is not stylized in a rune style, then just come right out an
state that so that everyone can see you are absurd. And while you are
at it say whatever stupid things you would like to say about the
stylized lettering in the SA and the NSV symbols et cetera.
Geez you said "Runes never were used in German texts AFAIK, beside the
SS rune pair as logo for the Schutzstaffel." So you concede it for the
SS but you want to maintain that the same stylie never ever entered
the mind of anyone else regarding any of their other many symbols.
They never thought of the SS symbol again. That was it. No one ever
even thought that the hakenkreuz kinda sorta looked a teensy bit like
the SS symbol or a rune style crossed. That never crossed anyones
mind.

Guess what? it never crossed YOUR mind. But now it has. sorry to
disabuse you. It definitely crossed other minds.

You are absurd. Stop being idiotic.

Post by Volker Birk

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
In other words, the VW logo also does not stand for "socialism" (other
than it was a car intended to demonstrate German national socialism)
yet it again shows two letters in stylized form to represent words.
Your comments support the point made in the original post, that the
Hakenkreuz was used to represent stylized crossed S-shapes for the
socialist party it represented.

And that's a misunderstanding again. The Hakenkreuz for sure has nothing
to do with the SS runes. It is historically wrong to bring it together
with socialism in any way. The swastica is just a symbol for fortune,
which was chosen by Adolf Hitler (who was an artist years before he
entered politics) for his logo, by modifying it with rotating it by 45°.
I think, it's clear that the red background references socialism in the
Nazi logo, though.

Thank you for admitting that the red references socialism. Thanks for
admitting that the hakenkreuz was the symbol for Hitler's socialism.
Thanks for admitting he turned it 45 degrees. Thanks for admitting he
oriented it in the S-direction. Thanks for admitting that he was an
artist.

Now, again you claim that he never made any mental comparison between
the SS symbol and his tweaking of the hakenkreuz? That thought never
entered his mind, according to you. Guess what? YOU are the only one
who never made any mental comparison. Stop evading something new you
have learned.

Post by Volker Birk

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
http://rexcurry.net/swastika3swastika.jpg

That's nonsense, sorry. None of these symbols in this picture ever were
used by the NSDAP. And it's just a misunderstanding to set a rune into a
text with latin letters.

You are nonsensical. sorry. All of these symbols in this picture were
used by the NSDAP or under it. It is not a misunderstanding to set a
rune into a text with latin letters because it looks like an S, you
ass, and people use similar stylization for the S letter today too,
just as you conceded was done with the SS. You are an idiot.

Post by Volker Birk

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
Your comments are consistent with, support and even repeat the points
made in the work of Dr. Rex Curry.

I don't think so.

I think so.

Post by Volker Birk

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
The USA's Pledge of Allegiance was also the origin of the Nazi salute
adopted later by Adolf Hitler (see the site that archives the work of
Dr. Rex Curry).http://rexcurry.net

That's the next incorrect claim. The Nazis used the Roman salute as
gesture for the "Deutscher Gruss", and they did copy that from the
Italian partito fascista, who copied it themselves from the Romans.
The wording "Heil Hitler" is a literal translation of the Roman salute
"ave caesar" (literally "well-being to you, Caesar"). The German "Heil"
means "well-being".

You love to repeat propaganda for which you give no citation to
support (because you have none). You are now repeating the "ancient
Roman salute" myth. The German copied it from the USA (via Ernst
Hanfstaengl and other sources) and the Italians copied it from the
USA.

To be honest, I'm getting a bad feeling about the competence of this
Volker Birk (whoever he is).

One thing is certain: Volker Birk has learned a LOT today.

[Volker Birk]

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed

Post by Volker Birk

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
Hitler put the symbol on its corner to highlight the S-shapes
for his socialism. He also always oriented it in the S-direction,
again for his socialism. Your comments are consistent with those
points.

Actually, I doubt that. And there are good reasons not to believe. I
don't know a single symbol Hitler designed for "socialism". As I stated,
the S rune isn't one.

You know he referred to his group as national socialists and you know
the symbol he used for his national socialists was a Hakenkreuz turned
on its corner and pointed in the S-direction. You can cry about it all
you want but you do know a symbol Hitler designed for socialism. And
for similar alphabetic symbolism cry about the NSV symbol and the SA,
and add that to your SS and VW.

I don't know what you're meaning with "cry". The NSDAP was no socialist
party at all. As a matter of fact, the German socialists and the
communists were the only two parties who refused to elect Hitler in the
Reichstag by declining the Ermächtigungsgesetz of March 24th 1933. All
other parties were approving it.

The German Nationalsozialismus was somewhat interconnected to socialist
ideas first, with the exception, that socialism is an international
idea, while Nationalsozalismus implies hate on everybody else and a
twisted ideology of racism. This ideology follows the Führerprinzip
(literally "principle of leadership"), which differs it from any other
form of socialism. But the Nazis dropped all socialist ideas quickly
with the Röhm-Putsch in the middle of 1934. Then they killed Ernst Röhm,
who was Stabschef of the SA, and many other leading officers of the SA.
Since then the SS took over, and found its place as the successor of the
SA. The henchmen and hooligans of the SA were more and more replaced by
the killers and murderers of the SS. By doing so the Nationalsozialismus
was felling his relationship to any idea, which was comparable to
socialism.

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed

Post by Volker Birk

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
"Hakenkreuz" is a common German word used for translation of
"swastica". However, you as a German native speaker would not dispute
that it clearly (even to an English speaker) literally means "hooked
cross."

To be correct: it doesn't mean "hooked cross", literally we have to
translate that to "hook cross", which comes close to "cross of hooks".

You have conceded this point. You are not helping yourself. stop
making yourself look silly. Whatever point you are trying to make is
pointless. You are grasping at straws.

I don't understand why you're so impolite. I'm just trying to go into
what you're writing. I have the feeling, that you're not too deep into
German history, so this leads you to some misunderstandings. I think I
can help you to find a better view.

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
Thank you for conceding my points. Swastikas aren't commonly used in
Christian religion, that is my point. Crosses are used. And the word
swastika was substituted deliberately by people who want to distance
the hakenkreuz from the cross. You apparently are another ignorant
victim of what happened. wise up.

And again you're becoming impolite. Why are you doing so?

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
Oh and don't ever recommend Wikipedia. It is an anonymous bulletin
board.

Wikipedia is a good entry point to find information. The articles I was
recommending are clearly explaining their sources, and these sources are
dependable. Just have a look onto the bottom, please.

Really, I have the feeling, that you have a deep misunderstanding of
German history. That's the reason why I was recommending to read the
corresponding articles. if you feel underestimated, I can recommend
professional historical literature, too.

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed

Post by Volker Birk

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
The SS runes are not a misunderstanding. No one said they stand for
"socialism" (other than that it was part of the government under
German national socialism). They're meaning "Schutzstaffel" clearly
shows the same type of stylized use of the rune style lettering for a
word that has S-letters in them.

That's the next misunderstanding.

Your blabbering about different S letters in German is crude evasion.

No, it isn't. And you impoliteness disturbes me. Your mistake is very
common. Many people are not familiar with the long S (it was even in
English lanugage, too, but this is some 200 years ago. In Germany it was
used up to the 20th century. That is what I was trying to say.

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
You have not disputed the point made. If you want to claim that the SS
symbol is not stylized in a rune style, then just come right out an
state that so that everyone can see you are absurd.

Why should I? The SS logo is two runes, as I stated. I'm just trying to
explain, that this is a logo, a symbol, and that no-one in Germany was
using runes in a German text with the exception to print the logo of the
SS when it was mentioned. Typewriters like the one I was offering a
photo to you were not common outside the SS itself.

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
And while you are at it say whatever stupid things you would like to
say about the stylized lettering in the SA and the NSV symbols et
cetera.

The Sturmabteilung was not using runes at all. The thing in its logo is
a flash, because of the name – Sturmabteilung literally translates to
"department of (thunder)storm" as well as "department of attack" (in
German this is ambiguous, and I think this was intended). With NSV, do
you mean the Nationalsozialistische Volkswohlfahrt? The symbols in this
logo are just latin letters, no runes.

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
Geez you said "Runes never were used in German texts AFAIK,
beside the SS rune pair as logo for the Schutzstaffel." So you concede
it for the SS but you want to maintain that the same stylie never ever
entered the mind of anyone else regarding any of their other many
symbols.

No, I don't. I just want to mention, that you will not find historical
or recent German texts with runes at all.

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
They never thought of the SS symbol again. That was it. No
one ever even thought that the hakenkreuz kinda sorta looked a teensy
bit like the SS symbol or a rune style crossed. That never crossed
anyones mind.

Maybe – and why should anyone do so? The two symbols have very different
roots, and aren't interrelated whatsover (with the exception that both
were used by Nazis).

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
Guess what? it never crossed YOUR mind. But now it has. sorry to
disabuse you. It definitely crossed other minds. You are absurd. Stop
being idiotic.

You're just impolite again. I'm beginning to think about why. Did I
demolish your illusions about us Germans and our history? You seem
having problems to deal with the facts I'm offering to you.

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed

Post by Volker Birk
And that's a misunderstanding again. The Hakenkreuz for sure has nothing
to do with the SS runes. It is historically wrong to bring it together
with socialism in any way. The swastica is just a symbol for fortune,
which was chosen by Adolf Hitler (who was an artist years before he
entered politics) for his logo, by modifying it with rotating it by 45°.
I think, it's clear that the red background references socialism in the
Nazi logo, though.

Thank you for admitting that the red references socialism.

There is no "admitting" needed, it's just a fact. As I was trying to
explain above, the left wing of the Nationalsozialisten were (well, in a
strange way) related to some socialist ideas, while Nationalsozialismus
itself is a completely other ideology. I tried to explain some major
differences. I hope that helps you to see that Nationalsozialismus is
nearly the opposite of socialism like Marx described it.

I think it was a clever move of Hitler to use that background color to
attract people. As I already menioned, the three colors black, white and
red are the colors of the Deutsches Reich:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_German_Empire.svg>

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
Thanks for admitting that the hakenkreuz was the symbol for Hitler's
socialism.

There is no such thing like "Hitler's socialism".

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
Thanks for admitting he turned it 45 degrees. Thanks for admitting he
oriented it in the S-direction. Thanks for admitting that he was an
artist.

I don't understand what you're meaning with "admitting". We're talking
about historical facts, aren't we? So there is no need for "admitting"
things.

BTW: there are historical swasticas in the S direction as well as the Z
direction, so Hitler had nothing to change with it.

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
Now, again you claim that he never made any mental comparison between
the SS symbol and his tweaking of the hakenkreuz? That thought never
entered his mind, according to you. Guess what? YOU are the only one
who never made any mental comparison. Stop evading something new you
have learned.

This is getting boring.

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed

Post by Volker Birk

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
http://rexcurry.net/swastika3swastika.jpg

That's nonsense, sorry. None of these symbols in this picture ever were
used by the NSDAP. And it's just a misunderstanding to set a rune into a
text with latin letters.

You are nonsensical. sorry. All of these symbols in this picture were
used by the NSDAP or under it.

Then I'm really expecting your historical proves for that.

Post by Daniel Ruth-Exposed
It is not a misunderstanding to set a rune into a text with latin
letters because it looks like an S, you ass, and people use similar
stylization for the S letter today too, just as you conceded was done
with the SS. You are an idiot.

Well, some people are becoming more and more impolite, it a discussion
does not develop in a direction they're liking. You seem to be one of
those. Well, then I will stop reading you. Welcome to my filter.

VB.

[Daniel Ruth-Exposed]

The National Socialist German Workers Party was a socialist party. You
admitted that the German Nationalsozialismus was somewhat
interconnected to socialist ideas first. Socialism is not an
international idea. Nationalsozalismus, similar to all socialism
implies hate on everybody else and a twisted ideology of racism. The
henchmen and hooligans of the SA were more and more replaced by
the killers and murderers of the SS. By doing so the
Nationalsozialismus was following ideas of socialism.

I don't understand why you're so impolite, Volker Birk. I'm just
trying to go into
what you're writing. I have the feeling, that you're not too deep
into
German history, Volker, so this leads you to some misunderstandings. I
think I
can help you to find a better view.

Wikipedia is not a good entry point to find information. The articles
you were recommending are not dependable and did not support what you
were trying to say, and they also misled you so that you were
completely ignorant of the points made here.

Really, Volerk, I have the feeling, that you have a deep
misunderstanding of
German history. That's the reason why I was recommending to read the
corresponding articles. if you feel underestimated, I can recommend
professional historical literature, too, Volker.

Voler, Your mistakes are very common, especially for a person who
learns from wakipedia. You continue your crude evasions with pointless
remarks about the German long S that isn't related to the points made
here.

You know that the SS logo is two runes. You know that it is a logo, a
symbol. You know that it shows that people in Germany were
using runes in a Germany and it was not restricted to print the logo
of the SS when it was mentioned. You are being absurd.

The Sturmabteilung was was using stylized lettering similar to that in
the SS, the VW, the NSV et cetera, et cetera. You are absurd. If you
want to keep your eyes closed then that is your problem.

The thing in its logo is a flash, because of the name – Sturmabteilung
literally translates to "department of (thunder)storm" as well as
"department of attack" like a flash of lightning, just as the S-style
rune was used and manipulated. With NSV, do
you mean the Nationalsozialistische Volkswohlfahrt? The symbols in
this logo are stylized letters meshed together in the same rune-style,
just as the hakenkreuz was used, the VW, the viking jugend, the SA,
etc etc. You are so absurd.

you will find historical or recent German texts with runes in them
because you have admitted that the SS symbol used runes and there are
plenty of historical or recent German texts with the SS symbol
discussed in them.

You are absurd to claim that they never thought of the SS symbol
again. That was it. No one ever even thought that the hakenkreuz kinda
sorta looked a teensy bit like the SS symbol or a rune style crossed.
That never crossed anyone's mind.

Oh, so you admit "Maybe" but then show your jealousy and envy by
asking "and why should anyone do so?" You are the one who did not
think so until you learned it here. The two symbols do not have
different roots, and they are interrelated in the very way that is
being mentioned here and that you admit "both were used by Nazis" and
altered by them for the purposes stated herein: alphabetic symbolism.

Guess what? it never crossed YOUR mind. But now it has. sorry to
disabuse you. It definitely crossed other minds. You are absurd.
Stop
being idiotic.

It was here publicly that I demolished your illusions about Germans
and your history. You seem
having problems to deal with the facts I'm offering to you.

Thank you for admitting that the red references socialism. As you know
the Nationalsozialisten were related to some socialist ideas, while
Nationalsozialismus is not a completely other ideology. You have not
explained major differences. I hope that I have helped you to see that
Nationalsozialismus is nearly the same socialism like Marx described
it. It is clear that your political bias dogma make you incapable of
admitting the truth here about the hakenkreuz representing crossed S-
shapes for their socialism.

Thanks for admitting that the hakenkreuz was the symbol for Hitler's
socialism. It is adsurd for you to say "There is no such thing like
"Hitler's socialism"" when you have already admitted that the
hakenkreuz was the symbol for the national socialist german workers
party, hitler's socialism. You are an absurd person and your dogma/
bias cannot let you admit even the obvious points anymore.

Thanks for admitting he turned it 45 degrees. Thanks for admitting he
oriented it in the S-direction. Thanks for admitting that he was an
artist. As you know there are reasons why symbol was manipulated and
displayed in a particular way. You are just angry you did not see it
or understand it.

You are being absurd when you try to evade by saying "BTW: there are
historical swasticas in the S direction as well as the Z
direction, so Hitler had nothing to change with it." you know the
historical examples are not the point, and you have already admitted
that Hitler deliberately displayed the symbol in a particular way. Now
you have learned why. Stop evading.

Now, again you claim that he never made any mental comparison between
the SS symbol and his tweaking of the hakenkreuz? That thought never
entered his mind, according to you. Guess what? YOU are the only one
who never made any mental comparison. Stop evading something new you
have learned.

Volker, your comments are getting boring.

http://rexcurry.net/swastika3swastika.jpg
You are nonsensical. sorry. All of these symbols in this picture were
used by the NSDAP or under it.

It is not a misunderstanding to set a rune into a text with latin
letters because it looks like an S, you ass, and people use similar
stylization for the S letter today too, just as you conceded was done
with the SS. You are an idiot.

[News Journalism]

You are correct to say "I hope that I have helped you to see that
Nationalsozialismus is nearly the same socialism like Marx described
it. It is clear that your political bias dogma make you incapable of
admitting the truth here about the hakenkreuz representing crossed S-
shapes for their socialism."

Marx was an infamous anti-semite for writing "On the Jewish Question"
in 1843. He also said "The chief mission of all other races and
peoples, large and small, is to perish in the revolutionary
holocaust.” Marx was the son of a Jewish lawyer who had converted to
Lutherism. Marx's dogma led to the socialist Wholecaust (of which the
Holocaust was a part) under Stalin, Mao and Hitler: ~60 million killed
under the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics; ~50 million under the
Peoples' Republic of China; ~20 million under the National Socialist
German Workers Party. http://rexcurry.net/edward-bellamy-national-socialist.html

[Volker Birk]

Post by News Journalism
You are correct to say "I hope that I have helped you to see that
Nationalsozialismus is nearly the same socialism like Marx described
it. It is clear that your political bias dogma make you incapable of
admitting the truth here about the hakenkreuz representing crossed S-
shapes for their socialism."

You're just wrong. I never said this.

Post by News Journalism
Marx was an infamous anti-semite for writing "On the Jewish Question"
in 1843.

Marx was Jewish himself. His parents both were descendants of families
of rabbis. It's ridiculous to call him an "anti-semite".

Post by News Journalism
Marx was the son of a Jewish lawyer who had converted to
Lutherism. Marx's dogma led to the socialist Wholecaust (of which the
Holocaust was a part) under Stalin, Mao and Hitler: ~60 million killed
under the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics; ~50 million under the
Peoples' Republic of China; ~20 million under the National Socialist
German Workers Party. http://rexcurry.net/edward-bellamy-national-socialist.html

That's 100% bullshit.

VB.

[News Journalism]

That was a response in support of Ruth-Exposed when he posted "I hope
that I have helped you to see that Nationalsozialismus is nearly the
same socialism like Marx described it. It is clear that your political
bias dogma make you incapable of admitting the truth here about the
hakenkreuz representing crossed S-shapes for their socialism."

So, Volker, you are saying that it is ridiculous to say Marx was an
anti-semite for writing "On the Jewish Question"? And do you say that
it ridiculous to claim Hitler was an anti-semite for saying similar
things that Marx said in "On the Jewish Question"? Everyone should
just ignore what Marx and Hitler and their socialist ilk actually said
and check with you instead on the issue?

And you claim that the following is incorrect? Marx was the son of a
Jewish lawyer who had converted to Lutheranism.

And you claim that the following is 100% bullshit? Marx's dogma led to
the socialist Wholecaust (of which the Holocaust was a part) under
Stalin, Mao and Hitler: ~60 million killed under the Union of Soviet
Socialist Republics; ~50 million under the Peoples' Republic of China;
~20 million under the National Socialist German Workers Party.

Are you a denier of both the Holocaust and the larger socialist
Wholecaust of which it was a part?

[Volker Birk]

Post by News Journalism
So, Volker, you are saying that it is ridiculous to say Marx was an
anti-semite for writing "On the Jewish Question"?

Yes, absolutely.

Post by News Journalism
And do you say that
it ridiculous to claim Hitler was an anti-semite for saying similar
things that Marx said in "On the Jewish Question"? Everyone should
just ignore what Marx and Hitler and their socialist ilk actually said
and check with you instead on the issue?

I have the impression that you never read Hitler and you never read
Marx. You don't have a clue what you're talking about, obviously.

Post by News Journalism
And you claim that the following is incorrect? Marx was the son of a
Jewish lawyer who had converted to Lutheranism.

No, why should I? His father even was Justizrat (if you know what that
German title means).

Post by News Journalism
And you claim that the following is 100% bullshit? Marx's dogma led to
the socialist Wholecaust (of which the Holocaust was a part) under
Stalin, Mao and Hitler: ~60 million killed under the Union of Soviet
Socialist Republics; ~50 million under the Peoples' Republic of China;
~20 million under the National Socialist German Workers Party.

Yes, that's 100% bullshit.

Post by News Journalism
Are you a denier of both the Holocaust and the larger socialist
Wholecaust of which it was a part?

There is no "Wholecaust", probably with the exception of your twisted
mind. Of course there was the Holocaust, the Shoa.

VB.

[Daniel Ruth-Exposed]

An additional source of the Nazi salute's spread from the USA was
President Woodrow Wilson.

Judge Andrew Napolitano in the video link below (starting at 3
minutes
into the video) agrees with Dr. Rex Curry that the USA's Pledge was
origin of the Nazi salute appropriated later by Adolf Hitler's
National Socialist German Workers Party.

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1034555989001/what-is-the-plain-truth-...

Judge Napolitano shows an old photograph of the early stiff-armed
salute of the Pledge of Allegiance that was also used by the Daily
Herald Newspaper in an article about Dr. Curry at
http://rexcurry.net/pledge-utah.html

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Napolitano explains that when President Woodrow Wilson insisted that
all school children recite the pledge he led them into doing so using
the American Nazi salute. "I bet you never saw a picture of him doing
that" Napolitano quips. After World War II, the Bellamy salute that
Wilson so loved became very unpopular, Napolitano explains.

Yet, the fact remains that Woodrow Wilson helped to popularize and
spread the straight-arm salute and mechanical chanting in unison on
command of the government, and he did it a short time before the same
behavior was aped in Germany by other socialists.

Francis Bellamy was the author of the Pledge of Allegiance and the
origin of the Hitler salute that was
used in the early pledge's ritualized daily chanting / brainwashing.
Francis and his cousin (Edward Bellamy) were both national socialists
in the USA and influenced the National Socialist German Workers
Party, its dogma, rituals and symbols (including the use of the
swastika as crossed "S" letters for "socialism").

Another link below shows another video (on Youtube) in which a
harassed student (in a government school / socialist school with
daily
chanting) also agrees with what Dr. Curry has been saying for almost
a
decade: that
the USA Pledge was origin of Nazi salute.

It is hoped that the two people above (Napolitano and the student)
will also explain the discovery that the swastika was used by German
National Socialists as crossed
"S" letters for "socialism" there.

[Arlo James Barnes]

This thread is rather amusing. It is almost a Godwin troll, only instead of using the heinous acts committed during the circa WWII Holocaust to falsely bolster an argument, the people involved are arguing over the origin of logos within the government administrating such atrocities. I fail to see how it matters.
As to the salute, the US helped inspire many things most people would not now (perhaps carelessly in that regard) attribute to them, such as eugenics, but I do not know if this is one of them. I suspect they both stem from generic gestures of nationalism.
Hitler hated communists; how much you equate communism with socialism is dependent on who is using it in what context at what point in history, and also on semantics ("is 'social' the same as 'socialist'?" for instance), but the fact remains that in propaganda and in reality, communists were one of the major groups oppressed by the policies and actions associated with the events leading up to and embodying the Holocaust, along with Jews, Roma/Gypsies, homosexuals, mentally and physically disabled people, certain intellectuals, and really anyone who was a bit different.
Also, the word holocaust can be used for several genocides across history (to take a random one, the Armenian holocaust by the Turks) but they are not necessarily aligned with the goals of the (apropos to this discussion, capitalized) Holocaust, and certainly were not coordinated. They were all done for reasons pertaining to the oppressor's situation at the time.
A similar caveat applies to 'anti-semitic'. Firstly, the term 'Semite' pertains to a variety of Arabic peoples in the region of the Eastern Mediterranean, but is mostly used to refer to the Jewish portion of these peoples. This is why we can have anti-semitic members of the Saudi family, for instance. But they are not anti-semitic in the same way Hitler was - their hatred is derived from tribal disputes over land stretching back milennia, and rekindled with politics between Israel and neighboring states more recently. Interestingly, some of them are Holocaust deniers.
But now this is completely unrelated to ASCII art. I shall thus refrain from further putting pairs of cents into this crazy slot machine of debate.
</eternalseptember>

[Mike Duffy]

Post by Arlo James Barnes
This thread is rather amusing. It is almost a Godwin troll, only
instead of using the heinous acts committed during the circa WWII
Holocaust to falsely bolster an argument, the people involved are
arguing over the origin of logos within the government administrating
such atrocities. I fail to see how it matters.

In a way, I agree with you. I take the stand that we should endevour to
use the swastika (and its reflection, the swawistaka) in their original
(pre-Nazi) contexts. In a way, it will "take away" this ancient symbol
from those who would use it to promote racial extremism.

Thus, a swastika should never appear in its Nazi form (black, vertices at
the "cardinal" points, in a white circle inside a red square) unless it
is in a historical context. To do so is an affront to those in living
memory who lost loved ones to the Nazis.

The swawistaka appears in the ancient (~5000 BC) Vinca writing system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin%C4%8Da_symbols

We do not know exactly what these symbols mean, but there are several
symbols in that set that survive via

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispilio_Tablet

to the Phonecian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet

the the Greek and then to the Latin) as well as early Sanskrit and East
Asian ideograms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic_signs_in_China


Here are some summaries:

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/15/151.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika


Hmm. and I just found this. It sums up what I feel and seems to be better
organized than I am:

http://reclaimtheswastika.com/

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